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MATAWHAORUA WAKA ? ? ?  

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K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe OWC
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Kia ora e te whanau,

I was taught the history of my Iwi Nga Puhi from my whanau, I was taught that my tupuna came across on the Matawhaorua waka(Kupe), he then gifted this waka to his grandson Nukutawhiti, Nuku modified the waka and then was renamed Ngatokimatawharua. This was my knowledge. However, I've been challenged with my concept and was told very frankly, my waka is the Mataatua waka. I do understand part of Nga puhi descend from Mataatua waka and this is located today at Matauri bay and the other part at Tako bay, however, I still thought Kupe descended from Matawhaorua waka. Can anybody please enlighten me.
Also, can you confirm Kupe came to Aotearoa in Matahorua and was accompanied by Tahirirangi waka.

Kia ora

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Posted : 23 July, 2006 8:16 pm
kaeo OWC
(@kaeo-owc)
New Member

Kia ora e hoa,
I am of Nga Puhi and Ngati Kahu descendant, and my waka is Mataatua. My ancestory lines come from both Mataatua and Nga-toki-matawhaorua. I suppose what I am trying to say is that it depends where abouts in Nga Puhi you come from. I am from Te Ngaere and Whangaroa (in Kaeo).

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Posted : 21 August, 2006 1:52 am
hearty nati OWC
(@hearty-nati-owc)
Eminent Member

E ai ki nga korero no matau o Mataatua ki te Moana o Toi, ko Toroa te kaihautu, ko Puhi he taina nona.

I te tuaukiukitanga i mua ra i Hawaiki,ko Irakewa to raua matua, heoi, ko ta Tuhoe no Aotearoa tonu a Irakewa raua ko tona wahine a Wekanui. Ko ta Tuhoe i te wa i a Awamorehurehu, ka mawhiti atu ia ki Hawaiki mai i Aotearoa, ki te tiki kumara. Erangi ka noho tonu i reira, ka whakawhanau atu ai ona uri i reira ra. Ko ta Toroa i haere mai ai, he rapa noa i nga whenua i mahue ra i a tona matua.

I te taenga mai ai o Mataatua ka pokaiwhenua haere te waka ki wiwi, ki wawa. Katahi ka tau ki te Kakahoroa ki Whakatane. Ka whakaturia he tuhahu, ko Te Manukatutahi. Ka haere nga tane whakauta, whakarerea noa nga wahine i te waka e maanu tonu ki tai. I whawhakia te waka, katahi ka tuarangaranga te moana, na whai ano ka tu a Muriwai (Wairaka ki etahi) kia kii rongonui atu "Kia whakatane ake au i a ahau!" A, kua tau tera ingoa ki te takiwa tauranga o Mataatua.

He whenua oneone, ka matomato te tinakunaku kumara. Ka ahumaara nga tane. Ka kii whakataunu a Puhi ki tona hamua, ka ki whakahoki te hamua ki te hamuri katahi ka whawhai a Puhi raua ko Toroa. Ko ta Tuhoe i angitu a Toroa, a, ka nunumi atu a Puhi ma runga i te waka o Mataatua ki te wahi i ingoingo, i aritarita ai e ia, a ko Takou tera. Ka nohia te whenua e nga manene no Mataatua. Ka aro minamina tona tamahine a Te Hauangiangi ki a Tauramoko o Ngai Tahuhu, he iwi tahito o te Hokianganui a Kupe. Ka whai raua, ka moe, ka puta ko Rahiri, nana nei te tini maioio o Te Whare Tapu o Nga Puhi.

Akene pea kua mahea ou na whakaaro i a au. Enei korero mo Mataatua, no matau o Tuhoe, whatoro atu ki te Tairawhiti hoki.

Nei na he kupu tapiri mo taua whakatauki rongonui a 'Kia whakatane ake au i a ahau'. Ki ta Ngati Awa, ki ta etahi wahanga o Ngai Tuhoe ko Wairaka tera i ki manehurangi ake (Kia whakatane ake au i a ahau) engari ki ta Te Whakatohea kawa, na Muriwai ke aua korero. A, kai te hapaia tera whakapae e nga iwi mai i Opotiki mai tawhiti ki te Taumata o Apanui, ki Potikirua tau ake ki Heretaunga ra i te rohe o Ngati Kahungunu. Na enei rereketanga, kua ahua totara wahi rua te Whare Tapu o Mataatua, heoi, ma tena, ma tena ona ake tikanga hai aruaru, hai whai, hai whiriwhiri

Edited by - hearty nati on Aug 21 2006 1:01:23 PM

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Posted : 21 August, 2006 12:52 pm
K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe OWC
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Kia ora,

My whanau is from Whangaruru, Hokianga and Matauri Bay. However, I'm tryin to whakapapa back to Kupe as this line is from my Ngati Whatua ki te Kaipara.

Thank you for your replies, I will seek to have your korero translated for me Hearty nati as I am not this fluent yet.

Kia ora

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Posted : 22 August, 2006 7:02 pm
Te Kuta OWC
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Kia ora K.Te Keepa,

It's my belief if you are from the east coast, Taumarere,
you are Mataatua, If you on the West coast, Hokianga you are NgatokiMatawhaorua, reason why I say that is Matahaorua landed at Hokianga,that should be Hokianga's, likewise the Mataatua landed
at Taumarere or Takou, that should be Taumarere's.
The whakapapa's mean we are from both, so it doesn't really matter,
Just to honour the Rohe, and if your in the middle aua hoki,
haha.

We can't live on love and pipi's.

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Posted : 22 August, 2006 8:30 pm
K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe OWC
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Kia ora Te Kuta,

Thank you kindly for your post.
What you are saying is what I thought, it just rocks you when you are challenged and told no, as I was advised regardless of where you are from, all Nga Puhi come from Mataatua, but I will accept what you are saying as I believe this to be pono.

Kia ora
arohanui
Kim

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Posted : 24 August, 2006 3:29 pm
Te Kuta OWC
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Kia ora K.Te Keepa,

I know, just cause we are from up north everyone thinks Mataatua, or Ngapuhi, there were other waka, whaaaa, now that gets up my goat, plus
i think Ngatokimatawhaorua has more History, what with Nukumaitawhiti And Kupe, i reckon we should be called Nga Tamariki A Kupe, that would be awesome aye.
I mean Takitimu landed up there, so did Tinana, Mamari, Mamaru, Moekakaroa, Waipapa, Mahuhu ki te Rangi, Ruakaramea and others,
why dont they say we come from them? they all landed in their places,
and if you lucky enough to come from where they landed, it should be an honour for you to say my waka is Tinana or Mamari so on & so fourth aye bro?
thanx for your feedback, finally someone that shares my beliefs.

We can't live on love and pipi's alone.
yeah i share

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Posted : 24 August, 2006 7:17 pm
K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe OWC
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Kia ora Te Kuta,

Tena pai, thank you for your korero. I too get sick and tired of all the digs Nga Puhi keep getting, the latest being Nga Puhi tried to challenge the kingitanga role when our Queen Te Atairangikahu past away, if it wasn't for my other side of the whanau who are Tainui then I'd never known the truth, even the media were pertraying Nga Puhi were challenging Tainui for the rights to the kingitanga line. The real storey behind this was our Kaumatua from Ngapuhi went to Turangawaewae to support the people, and to support the decisions being made by the people, as Dame Te Atairangi kahu's husband is Nga Puhi, therefore, Nga Puhi are already part of the kingitanga line anyway, it just astounds me, but thank you again for confirming what I feel, I also need to keep reminding myself that no body has the right to tell me my history when you are from another iwi, each iwi/hapu has their own stories, their own korero, kia ora.

I too strongly feel Matawhaorua with Kupe and Ngatokimatawhaorua with Nukutawhiti (Kupe's grandson), that yes, there is alot of history here as this was the first migration to Aotearoa. If I stay in a straight line on my whakapapa, I descend directly to Kupe therefore I acknowledge Matawhaorua as my origin waka on my Grandmothers side. Kia ora.

Edited by - K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe on Aug 28 2006 12:45:12 PM

Edited by - K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe on Sep 08 2006 12:41:04 PM

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Posted : 28 August, 2006 12:41 pm
poutuedwards
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Eminent Member

Kia ora koutou,
I jus wanted to add a little korero. I, like many who use this site am looking... searching for my tupuna, their lives leading down to mine. Answers to the unknown, many ideas, like your own have been challenged, many beliefs completely shattered. But on the goodside of things, the sayings like 'seek and you shall find' and 'the truth shall set you free', are always relevant in any discussion. I guess the thing we have these days is the 'right to have choices', in the days before there was no such thing, no measure of succession like we have in this modern world, everything was about the 'Ahi Kaa', the homefires. Of finding your little piece of dirt and defending it however possible, eventually, the ultimate score was to branch out and grow your resource and area. But, it is not so these days.

It will be a great taonga for you to have the korero from harti Nati translated, he speaks of the whakapapa of Toroa, the captain of Mataatua waka and of Puhi himself, his origin and ultimately that, of his descendants.

peaceful regard
Jacqui

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Posted : 08 September, 2006 1:03 am
tane_ariki OWC
(@tane_ariki-owc)
Trusted Member

Tena tatou katoa,

Ehara maku e korero mo ngetehi atu iwi, mo ngetehi atu tupuna ranei, engari, ka ki tonu nei au - te rawe hoki i ta Hati Nati korero. Mena ka hinengaro koutou ki te ako i te reo o te Tairawhiti, mana pea koutou e whakaako.

Kia ora mo tena korero Hati Nati, he pai tonu kia kite e ora tonu ana koe. Me waiho e koe he korero maku i runga i taku wharangi bebo ay? lolz

hei kona e hoa

I encourage you all to learn the reo. It will make what hearty_nati said that much more pleasurable for the soul.

Hei kona.

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Posted : 08 September, 2006 10:29 pm
kimmy OWC
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New Member

Kia ora. Ko Whiria taku maunga, Ko Hokianga taku moana. Ko MATAHOURUA, ara ko NGATOKIMATAWHAORUA taku waka. Ko Ngati Korokoro me Te Pouka me Ngati Wharara e oku hapu. Ko NGAPUHI NUI TONU te iwi. Ko Rahiri te tupuna, Kupe te tangata. I am from the settlements of Pakanae/Opononi where Kupe did infact hoe the mighty Matahourua into our harbour naming our moana 'Te Puna I Te Ao Marama o Te Hokianga-Nui-A-Kupe' (shortened version) Rahiri (the founding tupuna of Ngapuhi) has a memorial in honour of him standing atop my mountain Whiria where once stood his Pa, Kopanitehe. The anchor of the waka that is Ngatoki and was Matahourua is located in the front of my marae, Maraeroa in Pakanae. Rahiri descends direct from Kupe and all Ngapuhi can therefore retrace a whakapapa line to him. Up the road a bit further the Mamari waka landed and even further again the Mahuhu-ki-te-rangi, but that aside when you are Ngapuhi you are more than entitled to stand on the waka of your tupuna and Rahiri is our tupuna. Kupe is his descent line and then Ko Ngatokimatawhaorua Te waka tupuna. Stick to your guns, you have your korero right. Kia Kaha tonu.

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Posted : 15 September, 2006 10:33 am
K.Te Keepa Rata Te Awe OWC
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Kia ora Kimmy,

Ka pai, thank you kindly, I appreciate your support and words of encouragement.

kia ora

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Posted : 15 September, 2006 3:51 pm
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