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roddeng
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15 April, 2011 5:47 pm  

We had quite a forum going before the crash. Can it be recovered


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Rondo
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13 July, 2011 1:08 pm  

What more do you need to know about Raiha. I see that someone has posted my research on her on the Web, ie www.propertyshoot.com/graphics/Dickey_Whakapapa.pdf - Australia - Similar
We are uri of Kenara and she seems to have a connection to him


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roddeng
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16 July, 2011 4:17 pm  

Hi Rondo
From the web link in your post I presume your other self is nathanoj
Thanks for the link but I have already seen it somewhere. It looks pretty convincing but also confusing. Do you have any info on its source?
My family from the Thomas line all believed that Raiha was the sister of the first king Te Wherowhero but I can't find any link and your chart contradicts that theory.
My ignorance shows - I don't understand your last line at all
Regards Roddeng


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Rondo
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16 July, 2011 9:25 pm  

No I'm not nathanoj. I've watched your family posts from afar over the years and have only recently come on-line. The sources are given in my papers, mostly Maori Land Court minute book references. My primary interest is in Reel 84-102 Min Bk 13 pg.321 were Heni aka Jane had 4 children to Kenara aka Kendall. This Heni was the daughter of Tiki aka Dickey and Mereaina aka Raiha. Kenara was my paternal g g grandfather and he had two more families and we are from one of them. i'm trying to find what happened to Jane's children and descendants


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Rondo
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17 July, 2011 11:57 am  

Is there more than just hearsay to back up your claim to the Royals? The Mormon Church microfiche/ ML Court records and historical snippets say otherwise. Most Maori consider themselves lucky to have that. The rest comes from “sucking up” to their closest kin. Besides, the up-lines shown in the records are from the “elder clans” of Waikato Tainui. Rangituatia in particularly was a noble man and so were those who presented the whakapapa. So, do you seek truth or mana? I won’t go there on the later nor relish “windy” replies. You might last the distant probing my research path for a change. You never know. It may lead back around. Anyway, Dick Graig in The King Country -pg.53 says that chief Rangituatea who fought Te Rauparaha was painted by G.F. Angus at the Raglan mission in 1844 when old and lame. Raiha was 13yo then.


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Miria
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01 June, 2012 1:02 pm  

hmm haven't been on here for a while, seems things have crashed? Kia Ora Rondo
my G Grandmother was Annie Catherine Dickey Brookfield, daughter of Raiha Tiki Penania


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Miria
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01 June, 2012 1:09 pm  

[quote][b]Rondo wrote:[/b]
Is there more than just hearsay to back up your claim to the Royals? The Mormon Church microfiche/ ML Court records and historical snippets say otherwise. Most Maori consider themselves lucky to have that. The rest comes from “sucking up” to their closest kin. Besides, the up-lines shown in the records are from the “elder clans” of Waikato Tainui. Rangituatia in particularly was a noble man and so were those who presented the whakapapa. So, do you seek truth or mana? I won’t go there on the later nor relish “windy” replies. You might last the distant probing my research path for a change. You never know. It may lead back around. Anyway, Dick Graig in The King Country -pg.53 says that chief Rangituatea who fought Te Rauparaha was painted by G.F. Angus at the Raglan mission in 1844 when old and lame. Raiha was 13yo then.[/quote]

i think most of us who had been registered here would like the truth, it appears that the same story has been handed down, without much verification but in this day in age, i guess we all require proof, as for mana i am sure we have all earnt it in our own way over the years

i know i would like to know for peace of mind


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Rondo
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01 June, 2012 6:11 pm  

Kia ora Miria, I have no truths for you (apart from your Ngati Mahanga links) just starting points. I can only advise you to trace your tupuna, Rangituatea back to Ngati Maniapoto and Te Wehi. PM or Email me for more


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Miria
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01 June, 2012 7:31 pm  

have you seen this site?
http://www.geni.com/people/Raihi-Tiki-Penaina/6000000012093274217


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Miria
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03 June, 2012 1:01 pm  

ok found the other thread, http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/archives/viewthread.php?TOPIC_ID=56 it's been archived, but because Raiha's name was incorrectly spelt, i couldn't find the original


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poutokomanawa
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03 June, 2012 3:16 pm  

Here is the clickable links to make things easier 🙂

[url= http://www.geni.com/people/Raihi-Tiki-Penaina/6000000012093274217]have you seen this site? [/url]

[url= http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/archives/viewthread.php?TOPIC_ID=56]PENAINA, Raiha Tiki or DICKEY, Eliza From the Original Whakapapa Club[/url]

To make links clickable click on the "world with an arrow" icon - the seventh one along.

Nau te raurau,
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Ka ora ai nga tangata!
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Together we will get there!
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Miria
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03 June, 2012 3:28 pm  

[quote][b]poutokomanawa wrote:[/b]
Here is the clickable links to make things easier 🙂

[url= http://www.geni.com/people/Raihi-Tiki-Penaina/6000000012093274217]have you seen this site? [/url]

[url= http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/archives/viewthread.php?TOPIC_ID=56]PENAINA, Raiha Tiki or DICKEY, Eliza From the Original Whakapapa Club[/url]

To make links clickable click on the "world with an arrow" icon - the seventh one along.[/quote]

thank you 🙂


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Miria
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05 June, 2012 1:24 am  

i have been researching [url]www.geni.com[/url] and there are a lot of ppl who are researching this Whakapapa and others connecting to this, so far they have linked Raiha Tiki Penaina to Potatau Te Wherowhero , but the research hasn't stopped there, as it seems to go back further to Pukauae (partner unknown ) and Tapu-Ue & Rauwharangi

this site is awesome as it allows separate whakapapas to merge, creating a larger picture


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Kevin Taylor
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30 June, 2013 5:01 pm  

Tena koe Miria

Can you confirm Raiha is Potatau's daughter. I suspect she is as potatau and Tawhio were up there in Mangere where Raiha is buried. Im wanting to register the whanau on the Tainui Roll and presume Raiha to be Ngati Mahuta hapu and Makaurau marae - would you know?

Did you hear back from Roddeng and how his NZ trip went - was he able to confirm Raiha's whakapapa?

My brother in law comes down through Raiha - Edward - Ruth - Beryl - Val and Ruth has shares needing to be succeeded in Aramiro Block.


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paretutaki
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04 July, 2013 10:25 pm  

Kia ora, Raiha Tiki Penaina wasn't Potatau's daughter. My tupuna said she was Ngati Ruateatea, and so put her in the Moerangi list back in 1909 - 1910. I found a Penaina Taukino on a court application for Moerangi - Aramiro back in 1869, also Penaina took part in a land sale, from memory it was the Whaingaroa Block (Raglan 20 square miles). I saw a picture of two of Raiha's daughters, Ron May; one of her descendants had it. Very beautiful half caste women.

Ron May believes that her Father was a soldier, maybe his name was Hamilton; I have an old letter from Ron May in my stuff somewhere, I shall hunt it over the weekend.

Kia ora koutou. btw; I know of Eliza Dickey/Raiha Tiki Penaina because I am a Ngati Mahanga Historian. My Ngati Mahanga hapu are Ngati Ruateatea, Ngati Tonganui and Ngati Hourua. And I served as a trustee on the Aramiro Trust for some 14 years.
Mauri Ora 😉


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