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Waniwani or Waiuwaiu: Tracing her parents  

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Charprice
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06 July, 2019 2:37 am  

Kia ora I'm researching my whakapapa and am hoping someone might know of  a Maori Wahine called Waniwani she was born in Kororareka in the 1800's I think in 1818 and was partnered with a Richard sizemore who was a whaler she moved with him to Waikouaiti. I have documented info stating that she was a daughter of a Nga Puhi Rangatira but I don't have his name. All I want is her parents names cause then the rest of the puzzle pieces will come together for me. Other ways to spell her name that were documented are waiuwaiu and beside her waniwani name there is sometimes written winnie or wini

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07 July, 2019 12:23 am  

I have put this into a new topic @charprice so that the name you are tracing is a main heading.  This will make it easier for others who may know her to spot your post.

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07 July, 2019 12:43 am  

Thankyou 🙂 I seen what I did after I posted on someone else's post. But didn't know how to change. So thanks heaps 


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07 July, 2019 2:27 am  

Although not answering your question - who are her parents, I have found the following about her. You may know the people who wrote these korero and if not, you could always contact them to see if they have found out 🙂

“Kia-ora My name is Mary Harvey and I have researched and brought together the whanau of James Sizemore (1838-1887) and Sarah-Rodden-Thompson (1838-1895). We held a Hui at Easter 2012 at Puketeraki marae Waikouaiti, a great success. James’ mother was Waniwani from Korarekareka. She was brought down by Richard Sizemore (whaler) 1830's to Bluff or Moeraki as his 1st wife. I have tried our Maori-land courts etc but am unable to get anything about Waniwani prior to the births of her children, Eliza 1834, James 1838 Harrite 1844. It is on record that she died 1842 but that does not seem right: 1845 more likely as Richard remarried 1846 Betsy (Peti) Palmer. I have managed to up-date our whakapapa to 2012 but cannot find anything that can help with siblings mother/father.” Thanks for your assistance. Naku noa Alan COCKLE ak.cockle@xtra.co.nz

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This photo has been lent to the whakapapa unit by Mrs Mary Harvey née Williamson. It is believed to depict two halfsisters, and daughters of Richare Sizemore (the whaler). The girl on the right is thought to be the child of Richard Sizemore and his second wife, Peti Palmer. The girl on the left is thought to be the child of Richard Sizemore and his last wife, Waniwani, who died after the birth of her daughter. They lived at Brinns Point, Puketeraki. If you are able to provide names or information please contact Arapata Reuben, Ngāi Tahu whakapapa unit on 0800 KAI TAHU, 0800 524 8248

Look on the last page of this link

Although each of those quotes say that Waniwani was either first or second wife, the korero in the first post seems more accurate and based on dates.

This link has someone else you may know and be able to contact. I does list her last name as NGAPUHI, but I think that is more to indicate where she may have been from.

This link is a booklet you can download and has a bit of korero about Richard SIZEMORE as well as what life was like during that time - quite fascinating to read!

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07 July, 2019 3:20 am  

Thankyou for helping 🙂 . I do have all this info and the second quote to do with Peti palmer (Betty) isn't accurate I think it was from someone who didn't know about Waniwani and hadn't done enough research yet. waniwanis children were born first then she passed then Peti and Richard had more. Iv researched everything for when she moved to the south but there's nothing pre dating her which I'm hoping to find up North (where she's from) Iv been like a dog with a bone with this as I feel her story has been forgotten and I want her parents names revelled. I'm heading up North in August so Im hoping to get more info when going there 🙂 


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07 July, 2019 3:48 am  

Thankyou so much for that download of book that's incredible. Also I researched Richard sizemore it turns out he is also of Native American Cherokee decent. I'm doing my dna thing it's in process I get results back soon ✨


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07 July, 2019 4:12 am  

You are most welcome! I understand the "dog with a bone" - one of my branches took 10 years to crack and another one took 40 years, but the joy of discovery is still as great now as way back when 😀

How do you plan to do your research when you come north?

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07 July, 2019 4:28 am  

Aw wow that's a long time cool 😊 well this might sound bizarre but Iv so far been guided spiritually and everything is being revealed and is matching up to what I had been shown spiritually. So I made a friend online 8 yrs ago we had a strong connection but havnt met yet so he lives in Kohukohu and will pick me up from Kerikeri and I'm hoping to get to Russel and go to Ngapuhi and ask if they have anything, and go to archives library museum etc.. Marae, all of that. But will go were I feel drawn. As I have nothing else to go by other than she was Ngapuhi and born in Kororareka (from Maori land documents I have they called her an aboriginal native Maori of New Zealand I have her birth date as 1818 and she died in 1842 Ngai Tahu have her noted as a daughter of a Nga Puhi Rangatira but they don't have his name. Which confused me cause if they know she's a daughter of a Rangatira then wouldn't they also have the name. So I'm getting upset with the uncovering of it all. But I'm trying to just follow guidance too and just enjoy it


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07 July, 2019 4:47 am  

I can relate to follow the wairua - it is how I have tracked branches over the years 🙂  I have sent you a private message.

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07 July, 2019 8:07 am  

Cool. Whereabouts is the private message 😌


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07 July, 2019 8:53 am  

I see you found it 😀

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