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Ngati Paoa help?  

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Timmy OWC
(@timmy-owc)
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Kia Ora

My names Tim and I'm new here, plus only just found out about having Maori blood and lately have been trying to find out as much about Whakapapa as possible! 🙂

I do have the name of my Greatx4 Grandmother and from what Ive been told, she was Ngati Paoa.

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone by putting this in the wrong forum perhaps.

The information known to me is:

Name: Wehi Tomo Peuhipuhi Pokai, full Sister of Brother's Aperahama Pokai and Hori Rokena Pokai.

She was born around 1820, in Hurihi and died in 1844, on Waiheke Island.

I have searched Hurihi but can't seem to find out where that is...I think maybe in the Waikato region? Could be very wrong.

Not much information I guess, but I am eager to find out as much information about Whakapapa and who I am, which Iwi, Marae, Waka I belong to and everything I possibly can!! 🙂

Thankyou so much for any help

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Posted : 01 January, 2008 8:52 pm
tane_ariki OWC
(@tane_ariki-owc)
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Kia Ora Timmy,

So you feel that you may be from the Ngati Paoa people?

From the names you've given, they're bonafide Ngati Paoa names since I recognize the surname "Pokai". As for information on your particular genealogy, I don't know it personally. I'm also a Ngati Paoa, but from Kaiaua. The section of Ngati Paoa that I'm from also has a very intimate alliance with Ngati Whanaunga.

click [url="http://www.ngatipaoa.iwi.nz/components/frame_aboutthissite.htm"]here[/url] to access the Ngati Paoa trust board website. Another website to visit is [url="www.haurakimaori.co.nz"] the Hauraki Maori Trust Board[/url]. You should register with them.

Your iwi is Ngati Paoa.
Your waka is Tainui.

As for your marae, I encourage you to go to Waiheke itself since it is fairly easy to access. There is a health centre just outside of it.

I'm not sure where Hurihi is? Are you able to double check the spelling of the name?

If you want to read more about our ancestor Paoa I suggest reading Nga Iwi o Tainui by Pei Te Hurinui Jones. There is also a chapter on Hotu Nui and Marutuahu which you should also read. The first 12 chapters deal with the origins of the Ngati Paoa people however the man Paoa himself doesn't enter the scene until chapter 22.

I'd also like to take this opportunity and encourage you to learn and get a decent fluency of te reo Māori if you can't already speak the language. The language will also act as a key to understanding any customs you're not familiar with. We could always do with more people who can speak the language. If you're in the Auckland area, I recommend you take the free te reo night classes offered at AUT (Auckland University of Technology). You can find more information [url="www.aut.ac.nz"]here[/url].

I hope this helps.

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Posted : 03 January, 2008 10:36 pm
Timmy OWC
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Thankyou so much for your reply!

I am keen on becoming more familiar with the Maori Language, seeing as it was my Greatx4 Grandmother who was Maori which naturally means I only know english as my first language.

In saying that, registering with those trust board sites, would this create any offence with me being having only the slightest bit of Maori blood?

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Posted : 04 January, 2008 2:27 pm
Timmy OWC
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tane_ariki OWC
(@tane_ariki-owc)
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No it wouldn't create any offence Timmy, not for me anyway. If you're Ngati Paoa you're Ngati Paoa. You are who you are and blood quantum is very irrelevant because if it did matter then the question "when did your ancestors stop being Māori" arises.

So Timmy, go for it. Register. You have just as much right to be represented as I do.

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Posted : 04 January, 2008 5:12 pm
Timmy OWC
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Thankyou so much for your help 🙂

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Posted : 04 January, 2008 8:50 pm
Timmy OWC
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I will try to find out the correct spelling for the birth place of my grandmother too.

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Posted : 04 January, 2008 8:50 pm
Jaymac OWC
(@jaymac-owc)
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Timmy,
Your description of your relations is very close to my knowledge of my ancestry. I am related to Wehi also as a great x 4 grandchild. She married Thomas Webb a pakeha. I am a Webb (or was before marriage).
That is the only Maori blood I have also, but I do have a Whakapapa which shows our history, although it is not very clear around the time of Wehi's marriage to Thomas (or Tame Wepu as he was known). If anyone has further information I would be pleased to share the knowledge that I have.
I look forward to a reply with more exciting news about our geneology. Cheers, Jaymac.

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Posted : 12 January, 2008 9:19 am
Pokaitara Wikiriwhi OWC
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Kiaora Timmy
The only Huruhi that I'm aware of is on Waiheke Island the same area where Piritahi Marae is.

Nga Mihi

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Posted : 18 January, 2008 8:34 am
Timmy OWC
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Thankyou for that reply 🙂

Jaymac...Yes in my family tree my Dad put together the Webbs are present as I think a Louden (a scottish man) married a Webb from memory (im a Louden)

The Maori blood does thin out however my Auntys kids are half Maori now.

Do you have any more information about the iwi side of things for example Hapu?

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Posted : 14 February, 2008 3:55 pm
KatCha OWC
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Hi Timmy, I just posted this (below) to Jaymac also - funny that I just happened to be looking today (obviously kismet)!

Hi!

My grandmother was daughter of Thomas Webb junior, son of Thomas and Wehi, so Wehi's granddaughter. He married Katie (Catherine) Campbell (descended somehow from Annie Lang and various of Waipu I believe) and they had 4 children (Catherine, Selwyn, Marie and Adrienne). Marie was my grandmother.

From what I understand, Thomas senior fell off a boat and drowned (we have a copy of the newspaper thingy about it) and Wehi - I think she remarried/had other kids? Not sure.

Anyway, Katie and Thomas split up (not sure if they divorced or what) and Katie died of cancer fairly soon after I think and I believe Thomas took another wife (a daughter of whom contacted my grandmother in the early ninties I think it was and she also sent us a fairly comprehensive whakapapa). He ended up leaving them too I think.

After Katie died, the children lived with their Aunt Willa at 4 Franklin rd until aunty Willa died also.

My grandmother moved to Dunedin and married and sadly she passed away a couple of years ago but Adrienne and Selwyn are still alive.

Kx

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Posted : 14 February, 2008 7:25 pm
Timmy OWC
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Thanks for that!
Im sure my father will be interested aswell as he is putting together the family tree

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Posted : 18 February, 2008 2:31 pm
tane_ariki OWC
(@tane_ariki-owc)
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kia ora koutou,

great to see the tautoko out there for each other in Ngati Paoa. Nga mihi nunui ki a koutou katoa.

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Posted : 19 February, 2008 3:43 pm
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