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Ngamotu34
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03 April, 2011 8:32 am  

Kia Ora Nga Whanau!

How are you all?
Great to have our favourite site up & running again! Alot must have been happening for you over the last few months as we travel on our journeys, 2 steps forward & 1 step back instead of 1 step forward & 2 steps back!

I'm wondering how it is that Tino Rangatiratanga means the highest chieftainship yet in te Paipera Tapu is the translation given for God's Kingdom?!

Before we lost the site, a Destiny chap had a very long topic going about theocracy & government.
Have you thought about what's happening in the Middle East? The rise of Islamic theocracies is going to impact us all & play a vital role in the formation of global government & fulfil endtime prophesies. We need to be informed & prepared!


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Ngamotu34
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20 April, 2011 5:16 pm  

Next thing we know a certain church will be using the tino rangatiratanga flag as their logo!

Was going to write a paper for a friend enquiring about Islam but it turned into a 12 page monolith coz I had to include the other 2 monolithic religions Islam is based on, - Judaism & Christianity!
I tried to make it brief & have since thought of things I should have included, but if anyone wants to check it out, my email address is in my profile.
I would very much appreciate your feedback on it.


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Hotutaua
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20 April, 2011 7:11 pm  

We already have our own flag its called Iwi Tapu/Holy nation 2Peter 1:9


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Ngamotu34
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17 May, 2011 9:23 am  

I get lots of visitors but they don't talk to me! I share my stuff with them & off they go, after travelling from other towns or biking in the wind & rain up the hill to my wee whare! Maybe they're waiting to hear from me, but they might not like what I say & stop coming! Not that I mind, lots to do & quite happy being a hermit.

I will ask them if they know what the Creator's number 1 commandment is to the whole world, besides loving Him & each other, - I only just found out myself!

It's this, - be saved! from the kingdoms of this world into His Kingdom.


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Ngamotu34
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20 May, 2011 9:53 am  

So they ask me, - how do we get saved?
I say, -
1) Repent/be sorry for your sins, all you've done wrong, how you've broken the 10 Commandments.

2) Say that you sincerely want to do better, put right anything you can.

3) Believe the Creator came to earth in the flesh of Jesus to show us the way, to take our sins & punishment upon Himself by sacrificing His perfect life.

4) Give Him your whole life & everything you possess in return.

5) Be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins & putting to death your old self by full immersion in water, in public,(invite your friends, whanau etc. to witness your commitment).

6) Receive the gift of God's wairua tapu to give you a new heart & enable you to do what God created you to do.

7) Then your Lord Jesus Christ will say - "Follow Me!"

Look for the most godly person in your area & ask him/her to baptise you, - not into their church or denomination, but into the one true Church, the Body of Christ on the earth.
You will be spiritually a baby and will need to feed on the spiritual milk of God's Word, - te Paipera Tapu by reading the New Testament first.
Not alot at one go, you'll get indigestion!
You will behave & develop like a baby does, through to toddler stage, & onwards.
The quality of your life & relationships will improve & mature in a way that no other service can offer! The Kingdom of God is a winwin place to belong, exciting & fulfilling!


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Ngamotu34
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24 May, 2011 11:51 am  

According to the Waiparera report to the Waitangi Tribunal, Rangatiratanga is "The relationship of mutual respect, trust, & duty that obliges a rangatira & his/her community to look after each other".

The rangatira set the example for us to follow, but few do.
We all should be functioning in this mode whether we have role models or not.
Many people are so messed up &/or selfish that the hope of achieving any sort of mana or self respect is almost impossible.

I reckon that no amount of counselling, money, or Government programs will ever be able to solve our problems of family abuse, substance abuse, & every other destructive activity.

We need a healthy self respect, no matter how low we've fallen, & it can be achieved in Jesus Christ, - I've experienced it & seen so many others have their lives transformed from lowlife to goodlife!


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Ngamotu34
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26 May, 2011 5:00 pm  

E to matou Matua i te rangi,
Kia tapu tou ingoa.
Kia tae mai tou rangatiratanga.
Kia meatia tau e pai ai ki runga ki te whenua,
kia rite ano ki te rangi.
Homai ki a matou aianei he raro ma matou mo tenei ra.
Murua o matou hara,
me matou hoki e muru nei i o hunga e hara ana ki a matou,
Aua hoki matou e kewea kia whakawaia,
engari whakaorangia matou i te kino,
Nou hoki te rangatiratanga, te kaha, me te kororia, ake, ake, Amine.


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Ngamotu34
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07 June, 2011 7:14 am  

Maori TV last night, Te Teepu's Rev. Hone Kaa fielding a panel complaining about Paula Bennett being "all about money", not noticing that's what they were all about too! Rangi McClean suggested the Rev. may have some answers, the Rev. suggesting perhaps the Maori gods may have some! I'm sure he knows that pre European iwi believed that infanticide was a common & acceptable practice. Perhaps the killing of infants today is from the same mindset & that's why whanau protect the murderers, and concerned neighbours don't take action for fear of retribution.
Native Affairs interview with Destiny's Brian Tamaki showed what we all feared too, - he will vote for whichever Party backs him with funding.
It's all very well being the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff but there needs to be local, trustworthy, accessible people that concerned whanau, friends, & neighbours, as well as people concerned about their own dysfunction can access. These people need to be a phonecall away. No good expecting "disabled" people to "go to church" or marae, we have to actually be in their vicinity, on hand, knowing what to do.
That's why Jesus Christ's last words included, - "Go into all the world & make them My disciples; baptise them, & teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And I will be with you always, to the end of this age".
The last few generations have failed to teach their children the truths of God and now we're reaping a harvest of irresponsible behaviour with no morals or values. Do we think money will change that?


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threedee
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10 June, 2011 9:38 am  

why do "we all fear" tamaki voting for whoever will fund him??? Seems a totally logical thing to do to me. After all they are only politicians and that really all they do - divy up money and fund things.

Get over your destiny tamaki paranoia - it sounds so timid, wimpy and conservative - and that not who we are as maori

we are warriors who embrace the future and change and rise to any battle

mauri ora


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Ngamotu34
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11 June, 2011 6:34 am  

It's logical, true.
I'm just concerned that Destiny has become "all about money".
They are supposed to be followers of Christ & His example, - was He always wanting money?
I have alot of admiration for Destiny & enjoyed reading Tamaki's autobiography.
Most people today, especially Maori, would consider Jesus "whimpy" , but not timid, & certainly not conservative!
I think Tamaki is more conservative & old school than I am!
But in comparison to other churches, they've really got it going & are at the forefront of Christian activity right now, despite some doctrinal error.


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Ngamotu34
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14 June, 2011 10:25 am  

Did anyone watch Te Teepu on Maori TV lastnite? Excellent program!

C'mon whanau, your thoughts would be good!


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tane_ariki
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14 June, 2011 10:43 pm  

[quote][b]Ngamotu34 wrote:[/b]
Maori TV last night, Te Teepu's Rev. Hone Kaa fielding a panel complaining about Paula Bennett being "all about money", not noticing that's what they were all about too! Rangi McClean suggested the Rev. may have some answers, the Rev. suggesting perhaps the Maori gods may have some! I'm sure he knows that pre European iwi believed that infanticide was a common & acceptable practice. Perhaps the killing of infants today is from the same mindset & that's why whanau protect the murderers, and concerned neighbours don't take action for fear of retribution.[/quote]

No I don't think the infanticide of today can be compared to the ancient practice of infanticide. These children are murdered for no reason not because the hapū is struggling to survive or the child will prove to be a problematic sometime in the future in terms of the security of the hapū.

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The last few generations have failed to teach their children the truths of God and now we're reaping a harvest of irresponsible behaviour with no morals or values. Do we think money will change that?[/quote]

No but it will help empower those who know the real solution to step forward and do something.


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tane_ariki
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14 June, 2011 10:47 pm  

[quote][b]Ngamotu34 wrote:[/b]
According to the Waiparera report to the Waitangi Tribunal, Rangatiratanga is "The relationship of mutual respect, trust, & duty that obliges a rangatira & his/her community to look after each other".

The rangatira set the example for us to follow, but few do.
We all should be functioning in this mode whether we have role models or not.
Many people are so messed up &/or selfish that the hope of achieving any sort of mana or self respect is almost impossible.

I reckon that no amount of counselling, money, or Government programs will ever be able to solve our problems of family abuse, substance abuse, & every other destructive activity.

We need a healthy self respect, no matter how low we've fallen, & it can be achieved in Jesus Christ, - I've experienced it & seen so many others have their lives transformed from lowlife to goodlife![/quote]

I really like this post ngamotu34


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Ngamotu34
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15 June, 2011 10:53 am  

True, ancient hapu had other & more acceptable reasons for infanticide, but that doesn't mean today's infanticides are for no reason. Children are murdered by parents who can't cope because of substance abuse, lack of normal parental love, and because someone who isn't a parent is on the scene.
What I was trying to say is that activities can be inherited, spirits of good/evil can be passed down the generations without us noticing until they are manifested, like health issues. What else can cause a parent to kill or abuse their babies, no matter what other reasons are behind it, than evil spirits? Sounds unscientific but true!

Where is the extended whanau of these desparate people? If they are afraid of CYPHS, surely they can take matters into their own hands?
I understand that money is necessary for agencts of State, Church & Marae to run formal help resources, I just hope they know what they're doing & that their solutions will be effective & not putea poured down the drain or simply providing employment for a few lucky people!

I'm enjoying Te Tepu because Hone Kaa is tackling issues regarding Maori & Church/Christianity in their help or lack of it on these serious matters.

He said that according to surveys, Maori are leaving the churches & Maori church attendance is increasing. That's totally understandable, but maybe most adherents of Ringatu & Ratana are descendants of their followers. Which leaves Destiny as the no.1 church for Maori to find a change of life in. If they do, that's great. But some Destiny people are not happy with things there & either stick with it, unhappily,
for lack of an alternative, or give up on God altogether. How sad is that?

I'm trying to say that there is an alternative which is centered around whanau. You can't pour new wine into old wineskins,(Like 5:36 - ), you can't introduce new ways into old structures.
We tried to have church meetings at marae, great at first, but then the old structures of both church & tikanga Maori took over.
Recently we have tried to go back to having church meetings from house2house, but I see the same thing happening, - God will not pour out His unrestricted anointing of power etc. into old ways of doing things!

Sure, the the 1st Church, of Acts 2 & 1 Corinthians 14:26 - , did the things we are trying to emulate, - they also actually sold all of their possessions & shared the proceeds so that there were no rich & no poor, - early socialism! So, if we're going to copy the other ways they did Church, we should be consistent & copy this practice as well!

Nope, God is wanting to do a new thing, but not such a new thing, as the original New Testament people of God had an alternative style of practicing mutual support & doing Church, also centered on the family. They also congregated in households, involving neighbours & friends.

When we just vist & meet together informally, to discuss God & how we can serve Him/each other, study His Word etc., this is Church! ("Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in My Name, there am I in the midst to BLESS").
We can sing, eat, chat, whatever is good & brings joy, give people a vision, role models, hope, practical help. Totally flexible & natural.
This is what its all about, - God is our parent, - parents want their children to get on with each other, share their lives & possessions, think about what they're doing, have good goals, be successful(not necessarily wealthy), live healthy law abiding lives, contributors to society, and provide good homes for their moko/tamariki, & respect themselves, their children, & their kaumatua.
The Messaiah said, - "My Kingdom is not of this world", "The Kingdom of God is within you", - that's where it starts for us as individuals, we are enabled to carry out the practices of rangatiratanga only as we accept the seed of it into our hearts & minds, it's alien to the practices of the world as we know it.
Do we HAVE to travel this path? If we want to walk in the light & not in the darkness, you bet!

We need God's help & power to do these things!


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Ngamotu34
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04 July, 2011 9:55 am  

We can find reasons for why pre-colonial iwi killed their babies, why people today do it too, & why we all do negative things that damage ourselves & others.
No-one will ever be perfect this side of eternity, but we can all decide that enough is enough & do something about ourselves.
It's a choice we must make if we are ever going to restore any mana to ourselves & our whanau.
I'm so glad that my whanau have chosen to "take the bull by the horns" & in their journeys are getting there slowly but surely, with help from our Creator.
If we can, anyone can!


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