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I might be able to help you, I have recently researched the Lee family, we have an Elizabeth Lee who married an Ashton, Elizabeth had a daughter Maria. Elizabeths parents were Sarah Timu and Jacka Lee. I can go back a bit further....
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Hi Manawa, I am emailing on behalf of a relation by marriage Lyall Baird who lives in Auckland.. She is the daughter of Aubrey Ernest Burrow Baird, who was the son of Ernest Baird, who was the son of Maraea Baird(nee Lee), who was the sister of Elizabeth Lee
and daughter of Jack Lee and Sarah Timu.
She has various papers she has collected, and would love to swap info with any of their descendents. If anyone of the descendents would like to contact her, please email me, and I will pass on your telephone number
My 3x greatgrandparents are Elizabeth LEE and William ASTON/ASHTON. My 2x greatgrandparents Maria Theresa ASHTON/ASTON and Charles WILLIAMSON.
I have back to Elizabeth's parents Sarah TIMU & John LEE/LEIGH.
Is it true that Sarah TIMU's father was Koroko?
Would love to know.
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Can confirm Sarah Timu was of Ngati Kahungunu and Ngati Pourou descent,born near Bethlehem, Tauranga, around 1800-1810. The Timu whanau still live there. Also connected with Ngati Kahu from Wairoa Marae (near Bethlehem).
There is a local tradition that a woman from this area was supposed to marry the paramount chief Hori Kingi Tupaea (of Otumoetai). She eloped with a whaler from Tauranga instead. Sounds suspiciously like the tale of Sarah Timu and Jack Lee.
Interestingly, Tupaea's son was earmarked to be the first Maori King, but turned the role down.
Hope to get some further confirmation of these details soon.
Yep, I'll need to confirm this with a chat to the Timu family, but I got my info from a Ngati Kahu kuia, who was related to a "Sarah Timu", who was born about 1800 in Bethlehem and went down to the South Island.
Interesting that AlisonC has heard the same story(albeit discounted) - is this independent coorboration? [Sorry, that's the archaeologist in me speaking]
Re: The story of Timu & John meeting
I was told this by my Auntie & my mother who heard it from other older family members. My Auntie always maintained these story even after she was told otherwise.
As my mother says traditions can get changed by each telling but I think there is someting in the story as it proven fact that Jacka brought Timu & new born son John William down to the South Island. Whether she is North Island Maori or South Island Maori is what we are not sure of. My Auntie reckons she was "adopted by Nga Tahu tribe" when they settled at Rakiura/Stewart Island.
Also does anyone know what happened to oldest son John William? We originally had him married to Jane Dallas - have since found that he is different John William Lee. Is it true that Timau & John's oldest son went to Germany?
John Lee appears to be the same "John Leigh" mentioned in "The Bay of Islands" by Jack Lee (prob. a relation). Quote from page 124:
"In January 1826 Captain Stewart called at the Bay of Islands and induced a number of men working there to accompany him to Port Pegasus on Stewart's Island, where he intended to establish a timber and ship-building enterprise. These were the shipwright William Cook, John Leigh, Hugh McCurdy, Robert Day, Ben Turner and three others.
The group included eight men and nine woman. They were later abandoned by Stewart when he returned to Sydney and was reputedly jailed for debt. Some of the men retuned to Kororareka (Russell) after building a small vessel to escape.
Regarding Sarah Timu, there is a Nga Puhi tradition that identifies a group(?)of Maori women who fled the Tauranga region for Russell and subsequently recaptured by taua from the Bay of Plenty. This was in part one of the reasons for Hongi Hika's invasion of the south in the 1820s (the Musket Wars).